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New window External Subdomain Text duplicate Abo http: That's really difficult for me. I always end up writing novels for emails then wondering why people only answered the first question.
Any tips would be greatly appreciated. One thing I've done that has helped is after a single introductory sentence, list all my questions with numbered bullet points.
Only put the actual question here. Any supporting info can be described in paragraphs below, numbered similarly. Aggressively edit your writing to remove all unnecessary words and information.
If your question has multiple parts, break them into separate, sequential questions. Lastly if the question is so complex that this doesn't work, and for whatever reason you can't talk to them in person, present them with what you believe the answer is and let them critique it.
This won't always work for every scenario but it might be worth trying. Some ideas I've had luck with: Have one actionable item per email.
State a question in the subject. Spend a short time one or two paragraphs describing the question in detail, but don't make it longer than that.
End the email with the question in the subject asked again. If you find that you need to have a conversation, either walk over to their desk or pick up the phone.
Allow me to be cynical for a moment. A big reason why people only answer the first question is they want to skip the harder ones that follow and hope the conversation will go off on a tangent instead.
Yeah, that really depends on the content of the conversation, but I have seen that tactic used in so many situations including non-email that I assume it as the default reason.
So I limit myself to one question per email. Don't feel the need to explain everything you mean. Some people will understand what you mean with very little.
Others likely won't understand regardless of how much explanation you provide. Make everything that is critical super obvious.
Bulleted questions is a great suggestion. I had this problem as well and can offer you what has worked well for me: Would love other's input.
Place most important piece at the top. Answer the following question to your audience: What is the purpose of this email and how does it apply to me?
It visually divides, gives you ability to order most to least important and also allows someone an easy way to respond inline to each question.
Iterate on your first revision with goal of reducing length and maintaining intention. This takes practice and forces you to ask do I really need this line of text.
If you distribute to a large list, identify at the top the scope so those it doesn't apply to can discard. If you are emailing a group and you need replies or action items for different people call this out.
You can do this by calling each name out: Joe - Can you help identify x? Jane - Can you follow up with so and so? This way their name is attached to it.
I've found that leading people into a back and forth conversation where I can guide them through those same points, rather than try to get them all out at once, works better.
Just go one at a time until you are sure they are on the same page. I also try to eliminate parentheticals. Branching lines of thought are very difficult for most people.
I haven't watched it, so this question might not be relevant - but how do you explain the popularity of shows like "Game of Thrones"?
From what I gather, it has several various plot lines woven over and around multiple episodes and seasons. People also don't seem to have any problems deciphering the various "plot lines" within their own circles of family and friends in my experience with people who seem to have waaaay too much drama in their lives.
Is there something about "video" that makes it easier to parse in this fashion than text? Does emotional attachment to characters in such dramas or personal involvement make it easier to understand intertwined plot lines?
Just musing on things here Most people who watch GOT don't get all the plotlines. If you talk to regular showwatchers not book , they regularly mistake Stannis for Tywin for Roose etc They get enough of the gist to enjoy it.
I think most people enjoy GoT despite the story line. The content is otherwise quite gratuitous in the violence and sex departments, so it has a lot to offer to the most casual of observers without having a full grasp of the story line.
I would suggest you use chat platforms like slack instead of email. The flow of conversations is more obvious that way. You can then ask one question, and work parts b and c into normal interaction.
Once that's done, you can ask if they have the time to answer another question, and continue with the interaction.
One thing that really bothers me in long emails is redundancy. Something like "Only one single widget is alone on the shelf" instead of "One widget is on the shelf.
The shelf contains one widget. Izkata 11 months ago. The ambiguity is whether the second widget is on the table, in use, or if it even exists.
Put yourself in the reader's shoes. Imagine getting your email in the midst of all the other emails they get, all the other things they're thinking about, all the other problems, in and out of work, that they might be dealing with.
I've embraced my relative youth and tried tagging someone in an email body one time I've since started tagging people in the body for specific items I need from them.
Varying levels of success, if people are on the email and see themselves tagged in a specific part of the email, they know where to read carefully and what response I expect from them.
I struggle with this too. Sometimes I will only ask the first question, let the recipient respond, and then ask the next question.
It can give the interchange a more conversational feel and some people really prefer that. Haha so true, to me, and I'm sure a lot of others here, reading comes very naturally, it's by far the easiest way for me to consume information.
I hate watching tutorial videos, for example because I'd much rather read tutorial and speed through it at my in pace.
As I've started trying to be more entrepreneurial I've had to realize not everyone is like this and take this into account when dealing with others.
Shorter usually equates to better written, more relevant and the the point. I guess concise is a concise way of putting it. We also do this and could do that.
Imagine describing your diet. You could do it in 20 words, , or I can do it with 20 words. If you use , that probably means I have to trim your to 20, and sort from there.
Also keep in mind people are lazy. The higher up the chain you go the worse it seems to get. I recommend all e-mails to Director and above be written as if your audience is a hyperactive teenager.
Go with simple statements they don't understand nuance and bullet points. Also, take a look at your resume and take off all acronyms unless they are well-known eg: More generally, following a couple easy, basic rules like: A good one page resume is a strong signal from a candidate IMO and experience.
It tells the reader "I don't need to tell you every minute detail of my career to impress you. I want to start a conversation, and I think this one page detail is enough for you to make the decision to start that conversation.
The longer form resume can be useful during the actual interview, as it can provide the interviewer with some fodder to ask about from the applicant's experience.
A one page resume also tells the reader "I don't want to burden you with more information than you need". That's an unnecessary burden to put on someone.
A single page resume isn't always entirely practical, but there are ways to make it work even for people with 10 or 20 years of experience.
Keep in mind that a resume doesn't need to include every single job the details of the oldest jobs of technologists tend to be almost entirely irrelevant.
The resume also has to be written with the mindset that the reader isn't likely qualified to even determine what the candidate does.
You have to assume the reader when human is looking for keywords in the same way a machine applicant tracking system is, so including a summary that simplifies it for the reader is useful.
When the CTO of a startup tells the temp at the front desk "You're screening our resumes today, only send along Python developers with over five years of experience", a resume summary that begins with "Python Developer with five years of experience When writing the resume, make it as easy as possible for the reader to figure out who you are and what you do.
Don't use inside baseball terms or corporate lingo that doesn't translate. Remove noise to allow hiring signal to come through.
Even at the end of my 28 year career, my resume was only two pages. I continually edited it down. The older stuff, probably no longer relevant stuff, was reduced to just a few words.
For anything older than 4 years, only a sentence describing the work is sufficient. If the interviewer is interested, they can ask.
RulingWalnut 11 months ago. This is the right approach. The problem with the vast majority of multi-page resumes is that the writer has an editing problem.
If you can fill out 5 pages with worthwhile info, I suppose that would be fine? But if you're at the level where you can fill out 5 pages of worthwhile info, you'd be recruited directly by the CTO and your resume wouldn't come close to me.
You have to get to the CEO these days. I have one of these five pages resume. I usually get a job offer after an interview.
Half of that will be opensource contribution not related to any organization. If recruiter needs more info, we can always discuss that during interview itself: Yes and your showing that your older than the other applicants.
I really struggle with today's system from HR. My wife wants to move back to her home state. Jobs I am perfect for, jobs I am under qualified for and entry level jobs.
I need to just put my application like I am straight out of school. Is it obvious that you are currently not living locally?
Many places shy away with dealing with non-local applicants for various, often silly, reasons: Granted bad mouthing an employer after a bad hire experience can and does happen, it doesn't often have as much weight and drama as when someone "moved across the country".
They 'ruined my life' Avoid them! Unfortunately you need to move then look for a [local] job or conceal that you are not currently a local applicant at least until to are at an in person interview.
My address is my In-Laws where I will be living when we move back. DarrenZ 11 months ago. Leave out the bottom 10 years and leave out your degree years -- if you have one.
My software development career began at age 28 I'm now My CV begins in and makes no mention of what I was doing from , and makes me appear about When I turn up for interviews, nobody bats an eye, and all interview questions that touch on previous jobs talk about what I've been doing in the past 3 years.
DavidWoof 11 months ago. Among those who got the shortened resume, nobody seemed to notice, although it's possible they noticed the age gap and just didn't mention it.
Although if OP has sent out 40 applications and gotten no responses, ageism isn't the issue. There's something about his experience or resume that is turning people off.
I am working off my CV I had professional done a few years ago. Maybe I need to put some money into someone else doing it for me again. I'm pretty ignorant of your field, so it's hard to say.
As an example of my ignorance, I'm honestly surprised you could even find 40 places in a small city to apply for an uncertified Stem Lab Coach job.
In terms of resumes and job search, though, software development is completely unlike every other field.
It's a completely different world. People complain about ageism in tech, but I suspect programming is actually one of the least ageist fields out there due to its underlying meritocratic nature.
I'm turning 45 years old next year; I've been employed as a software engineer since I was I've never had a problem getting a new job, whether by choice or because I had to due to a layoff or other scale back by a company.
I don't want to stagnate or otherwise get stuck in a rut, so to speak. That doesn't mean I'd turn down the chance interview at such a place, but I'm not looking in that direction plus, I'm pretty rooted here in the Phoenix area.
I'll take a look at it for free to see if the resume is an issue. Many resume writers are just writers that learned resume writing was a way to get paid if they couldn't get published, so quality varies.
I have 20 years of experience in recruiting for startups, so I understand your audience quite well. Contact info is in the profile.
Tehnix 11 months ago. Getting your CV done? I'd say do it yourself. Having just done my CV, I couldn't imagine paying someone for it - it's deeply linked to my personality and my own experiences.
Isamu 11 months ago. Yeah, it is worth remembering that things are very different now, they get many times more applications for every job than used to be the case.
It's like direct mail marketing - expect a very low response. I think the relevant parts of this article are the sales parts. From this comment I assume you've put your resume in a giant pile 40 times.
Unfortunately that's probably not going to get you the job you'd really want but you probably know this already apologies in advance.
If so, they'll refer you and you'll have at minimum an inside track to the application process. If not, you're still better off than you were before.
How about picking the top 5 that you are the best culture fit for and most excited about. In the long run it takes about the same amount of time.
Now wear the employers hat If one intensively looking for a job is investing time and effort in only couple of openings, however one thinks a perfect match they are, is in for a very sad dissapointment.
Could you find some companies, learn about them, find some managers and cold email them personal emails?
I've always done that and I have far less experience than you. Out of curiosity, what is your experience in? I am a generalist, but have had success in each of these areas.
Education But not a certified teacher currently a STEm lab Coach for the past nine years, Systems Librarian and media creation audio engineering and video editing.
I also do a lot of statistical programming R for the company I work with for grants. So I try to just make each resume simple for each job.
If you haven't yet, you might try getting some objective third party advice on your resume. Similar situation, but 10 years younger, on the other side of the Atlantic, and the salaries are half of those American over here.
It's not you and it's not ageism. In formal writing, like a resume, I tend to shy away from such nuance. I will only use a dash for a range, if needed.
Otherwise, rather than dashes or such, proper usage of commas, semicolons, and colons will usually suffice. Informal writing gets anything and everything.
I'll mix it up all over the place, but I don't differentiate between the various dashes: You'll get a single dash and like it, dang it! CamelCaseName 11 months ago.
What is the difference between the two dashes? They have different lengths and purposes. There's the hyphen - you are used to then there's the en dash — and the em dash —.
They also have ramifications for the systems that consume them. If a system is ascii and using extended ascii then globalization presents some specific challenges around these groovy usages of the seemingly innocuous little flat line.
AnimalMuppet 11 months ago. Length or width, if you think in terms of width and height. An en-dash is the width of a capital N; an em-dash is the width of a capital M.
They don't have the same width more or less visible depending on the font: The difference in width create a different "rhythm" in text.
Yes, it's subtle, as it's usually the case for typography. Do you prefer "—" or " — "? I prefer " — ", but with a thin space.
Do you know how to enter thin spaces on Mac OS? Then you might also want to consider that your spelling of your master's institution differs from the one used on their website as well as the usual spelling of the poet's name Bharathidhasan vs Bharathidasan.
As a bit of surface level feedback, taking care to correctly capitalise the names of the tools you use is a quick win for legitimacy.
JulianRaphael 11 months ago. Great resume in general. However, you don't list a single quantifiable achievement in your work experience.
You state what you did, but in no way provide data to describe the impact of what you did. If you'd include that, your resume would be outstanding.
Two issues with a one-page resume. First, to get to the phone screen many companies now use some form of automation to weed out applications.
Less words simply means less chance of an automated match against the job description criteria. Second, never underestimate how lazy the HR screener is.
They aren't technical, they aren't ambitious, they're generally borderline incompetent people whose sole marketable skill is that they are pleasant to talk with.
If you don't spell out, in detail, that you're a Front-end Developer who uses X, Y, Z tools for N years the screener won't be able to read between the lines.
I was in a time crunch so I asked a recruiter to find me a Front-end Dev. I felt like she was asking the right questions, she seemed smart.
A week goes by, "Sorry, no candidates. Ok, well it's a hot market Next week, "Sorry, no candidates. Anyway good and bad recruiters, but you never know when your resume is going to end up in the hands of someone really junior.
Better to have everything spelled out. Better to be explicit around what you did with each past job.
Generally the posted job description is all the recruiter is going off of to match you, so it's easy to tune your resume to fit. Came here to post this.
A lot of modern ATS systems especially if you're jumping through a recruiter or applying to a large enough company will screen for keywords.
Granted, especially earlier in my career, I got invited to interview for roles that were well out of my league. GhostVII 11 months ago.
There are a lot of HR people in the world, that is a bit of a generalisation, don't you think? I'm sure there are lots of great HR people, and lots of incompetent HR people, just like any other job.
HR is not 'like any other job'. Google's internal analysis of what HR practices yielded top tech performers strongly disproved most longstanding HR maxims, like hire from the best schools, with highest GPAs, etc.
AFAIK, very few of the HR services used by most large corps have integrated much less acknowledged this sea change in tech HR nor integrated some of those lessons in their daily practices.
Their hallmark MO continues to be: So I'd agree with only the middle of your last sentence. I can count on one hand the number of good recruiters I've worked with over the years.
Generally they view it all as a numbers game, spam over candidates until one sticks. They won't go out of their way to understand things is what I meant by "ambitious" there If a candidate is thinking, "Well, my resume is basically just a link to my GitHub profile," or, "I have all these awesome references on LinkedIn I could count on one hand the number of good recruiters I have worked with and the number of Voltron lion robots.
Every second I spent talking to a recruiter has been an absolutely unmitigated waste of time. And they always try to waste so much of my time, too.
They always seem to want to "touch base" and "reach out", or try to mine my contact list for other prospects. It didn't take long for me to figure out that they care not at all about my outcome, and overwhelmingly prefer quantity over quality.
And even the VP can be a waste of good office space sometimes. There are definitely some that at least have tact and respect for the skills that developers have.
I won't talk to any that don't come across in this way immediately. If they are all about buzzwords and clearly haven't taken anytime to understand what software development is about they deserve to be blackballed.
I don't think so, I think he is spot on. If you have more skills, you do something else. I had some great recruiters to work with, but they move up fairly quickly.
I am an engineer who had to do many interviews and before conducting interviews I always look at the resume. In my opinion, I rather have 6 pages resume than page with so low information that I have no idea what really was done in the last 10 years of this person.
That being said, the first page should give the core idea to pursue the reading, but once you have reached the first scan I am in favor bigger resume than a thin one.
RubenSandwich 11 months ago. I'm also an engineer who has had to interview. My question to you is: I'd rather have 1 page, 2 max, because I have to filter through a bunch of people in a short amount of time.
Would you rather spend an extra minute or two on the resume scan or an extra half an hour in the interview only to find that a month after you hired them, they're incapable of doing the job?
Careful where you think you're wasting time and effort. Here's the problem with long resumes. Most people don't have anything useful to say. Most of the time when I see a resume of any length, they contain very little useful information.
Longer resumes just make it worse. Now, there are ones that describe a project in detail, and you're like "Wow, that's really amazing.
I include myself in this group, and that's why I keep it short. Having a short resume is also a test I use. The hardest paper I ever wrote was in an advanced Psychology class where we had to perform some sort of analysis on a character in a book.
The paper had to be at most 4 pages, for something that could have easily taken 10 or more. Understanding how to communicate effectively is one of the best skills that people can have.
Do I discount people immediately for not being able to do this? No, but it is something I take note of when I see it. The first litmus test in this situation is "Is this 6 page resume an engaging read that delivers everything useful effectively?
Equally, are you discounting this person just because you can't be bothered to spend an extra couple of minutes parsing their resume which upon closer inspection is solid gold?
Being concise and communicating effectively doesn't necessarily mean the same thing. You would not believe how many resumes I've seen with things like formatting issues and misspellings.
I'm picky about getting technical terms correctly, but I understand that everyone might not know there are capital letters in random places in words.
Going through 6 pages of that along with phrasing issues is brutally draining. If you have a long resume, give a summary or something of each entry, so I can choose to see if what you are describing is what I'm looking for.
With all that being said, I'm pretty forgiving. I understand that if you have English as a second language, you might not know all the nuances to grammar.
I try and give some flexibility. So here's the thing, with all that in mind, you ask if I can't be bothered, no I can't. Just because someone spews something on a page and calls it a resume does not mean that I should take a look at it.
Have some pride in what you send to people. Yes writing resumes suck, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't work at creating it. People say, "I don't know about design", or "I'm not a writer.
It's not that hard to understand the basics of design and layout. Download a template off the internet. Ask someone to look at it before you send it.
It doesn't have to be great, but it least make it look like you care enough about what you do to make it decent. You bring up a good point.
Decision fatigue - A longer resume doesn't make the choice easier, it makes it harder because now I have more to compare and contrast more. Half-life of knowledge - I did computer vision about 5 years ago, but I leave it off my current resume because I know the field has changed so dramatically since I last did it that my knowledge of it is out of date.
I think your comment about computer vision illustrates what's wrong with this industry. If you were able to do computer vision 5 years ago you should be able to get up to speed now.
This attitude doesn't allow most of to build a decent resume but instead we have to chase the latest tech all the time and none of our experience counts.
For example I would prefer someone who worked on a big complex web site ten years ago with the tools available then over someone who has done a simple web site with the latest React version.
The half-life of knowledge is in the eye of the beholder. The field may have changed dramatically, the technology may have moved on. But much of what we know about how to design computer programs today hasn't changed as much as you think in 50 years.
Frameworks have changed, architectures have changed, paradigms have remained very similar. Paradigms are the important part.
Be as careful with what you choose to leave out as what you choose to include. Hello, I would say that if you need to look at for each position open that the HR people are not doing their job to filter it down enough for you.
For each open position, I can understand that engineer that does interview may have a dozen or more but seems to be quite huge.
Again, I am targeting an engineer position here, not HR or a manager. About page, nothing forces you to read through all the 6 pages.
If the first page is not a fit, then move on. In my experience, a single page often lead to me to have to dig way more on the person to try to find anything related to this one -- not sure that a time saver.
JakeWesorick 11 months ago. Not disagreeing with what you said, but a lot of multi page resumes I've seen are formatted poorly and have a lot of unhelpful fluff.
More pages are fine as long as the info stays relevant. I was doing Java in , don't ask me about it now tho' That is highly dependent on the skill.
I haven't troubleshot a circuit board much since , but if you put me in front of one with a schematic and some test equipment I sure as hell could do it again right now.
I haven't written signal processing code since , but I could jump right back into that as well. Not all skills and experiences wither at the same rate.
I'm sick of being typecast based on what I have been doing for the past few years. I tend to like to see more information that is more recent but is also interesting to see the journey of someone.
You can get something interesting by knowing that someone is able to switch language without problem or maybe this person is more the type that doesn't change at all.
It's also great to see a long track of achievements even if it's been 15 years. Again, information like knowing that someone has been doing technical positions for x amount of year and now is more in a leadership position can give a good idea where the person is moving and what he still could do or understand but has changed in term of priority.
Again, every resume should filter the content as its age but someone in the industry for 30 years shouldn't fit everything on 2 pages in my opinion.
As long as it's not the same paragraph repeated 10 times over 6 pages. We see a lot of people, for some reason especially those from big banks, who pretty much write "wrote stored procedures, gathered requirements, wrote unit tests" 10 times.
My favorite resumes are the ones that make me curious about the person and show some enthusiasm but that requires a good writer. It's really amazing how many resumes I see that have basic spelling and grammar mistakes in them.
Like on the order of, damn the squiggle underlines in Word, full steam ahead. I mostly try to stay away from the more aggravating and useless of grammar pedantry, but it's just not a good signal about diligence and attention to detail.
We did a study on candidates applying for a graduate role, putting CV sift in parallel with work sample and situational judgement testing.
The CV scoring was entirely uncorrelated with who went on to do well in fact it was slightly negative but not statistically relevant.
I'd love to do another study with more senior hires. In case anyone's bothered we wrote it up here https: I like to have two resumes.
One is optimized for getting past HR and screeners. The other a longer, more detailed one to hand your interviewer during the interview in case they want to talk about specific experiences more.
Either way - you're always gambling here. You can't read the personality on the other side of a job post. Even if that job post looks like the best dev manager in the world wrote it and that may be the case even it doesn't mean that applications don't go through the screener who's also handling the hires for janitor, marketing rep, and help desk.
It could also be going directly to that manager, and they may have a preference for detail. I too have multiple resumes - in pdf, odt, txt.